I literally just bought one of these. If you looking for a slugger for something like car defense or home defense. Over penetration should not be an issue. But to a victim or an attacker, what happens when an intruder gets hit by birdshot may be a lot different to 00. My 9mm is def better carrying size, 45 is things-that-go-bump-in-the-night standby. Muzzle velocity is simply a measure of the speed of the projectile the moment it leaves the barrel. I am currently looking into a kimber ultra carry ii or a sig p938. Veteran SWAT freeze. death) 92+%, 9mm is just over 50%. My personal word: By Josh Wayner This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. I believe you can make darn near any caliber and pistol you have just as flexible as the next caliber. Have a place to barricade yourself in, in mind beforehand and think about what you would do yourself if it happened to you. Those who prefer lightweight 9mm projectiles enjoy lower recoil; If you select heavier bullets benefit from deeper penetration of the target. My own belief is that in most cases, people will over-carry for the sake of extra confidence. I'm not an expert on injuries caused by ammo though. (All listings are fps). You effin ROCK! I have to agree you do need both a 9mm and a 45 cal as far as comparing them I feel it is apples and oranges both are great. I have total confidence in that pistol. First mag size for home or personal defense holds no water! The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. Sit down, you sound dumb. We say these things and move on. So, I disagree with the Taylor KO index . Interesting discussion thanks for the insight and thoughts. Your "facts" are only indisputable for you, since you clearly lack experience or any real world outcomes. If you conceal carry then there is a 90% chance of bystanders being in your firing line. With that being said it all lies on personal preference. American manufacture and the American firearms industry was able to restock and resupply them when no one else could have. Id learned that doing 33 separate factory loadings in four pistols in the same conditions was a tall order to fill. This trumps expansion. Average muzzle velocity: 1132 fps Average muzzle energy: 327 fps. He pulled out a 9mm round and a 45 acp round and held them both in his hand. Certain matches require major or minor Power Factors. This article has a ton of ballistic coefficient details but in general, the higher the number, the more aerodynamic it is. Which is it? "ANY GUN will do!! Somethig to the discuters, even for an author. Well, accuracy can be paramount. I can't think of any tangible way life is better for Americans then it was prior to ww2. I am ex military and I have seen way to many hiccups with autos and semi autos. Then again, if penetration through a bedroom door, heavy jacket, glass, etc your .45 won't make it to the target, so much to think about! Any one who reads this should know that vital truth! Not that a low rent trash bag would be wearing a vest if he decides to break in your casa but with the cost of bullet resistant vests getting cheaper and cheaper any things possible. Case closed. IRead more . BUT, I have read that bear attacks are usually a big surprise to both the hiker and the bear, who have both been startled by each other's company. Shot placement and Round choice will be the determining factors for desired outcome. of energy. Another difference relates to global use. The problem is you can't always be sure of what's behind your target in a defensive situation. Sure you can fire a .45 as quick as a 9mm but it's gonna hurt your accuracy, doesn't matter how strong you are. The 9mm NATO is equivalent to a slightly overpressure variant of the standard 9mm Luger. Speed is an important factor for ballistic performance, impacting accuracy, trajectory, energy, and penetration. But, with an effective grip the difference in recoil is not significant to have any real effect on the effective use of the handgun. These are FBI statistics. There are many good rounds for the G19 for social work. This is why armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot tank rounds fly at speeds above 5000 fps. . I'm just a regular guy, but shot placement would rule my decision. No matter how much you love than one 9mm you saved up for. But I know you won't understand. Switching to the 9mm makes them look less sexist. . I've shot that in Battlefield where all the ballistics are fully verified by experts because it's a computer game. All are in 9mm, we both love our Glocks and Shields. So say it has a 500 FPS advantage. I recently moved to my country property and am living alone. The 9mm is super small and light weight (about 16oz empty) and the 1911 weighs almost twice that. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. Contact Us. It appears that overall, the optimal barrel length for 9mm (for something like an AR-15 pistol build, SBR, or similar setup), is about 7 to 8 inches for maximum efficiency and handling, though going longer can still have benefits. I would like to add that the FBI test comparisons that are referred to are only half the test. Simply stated, the faster they strike the faster they stop. In a gunfight, the least acceptable hit percentage is 60% and less than 80% should be frowned upon, strongly. A direct hit to the heart or aortic arch can take as long as 8 seconds to result in unconsciousness. By the time my dad made it to Korea he was already an experienced shooter. Also, for you suppressor enthusiasts out there, the .45 ACP is an inherently subsonic bullet. 9mm became the universal choice and approved by agency bookkeepers and bean counters. I hope this helps. 2. The _ga cookie, installed by Google Analytics, calculates visitor, session and campaign data and also keeps track of site usage for the site's analytics report. Look, ultimately both rounds have very similar energy. You say bullet technology has caused the 9mm to catch up with the .45acp. Maybe target practice? Loads and bullet design are next factored into specific use, it is the icing on the cake to select a velocity to maximize that use. Youre welcome. I would and have felt safe with one. Conversely, the 9mm spits out a 115- and 147-grain bullet anywhere around 1,000 to 1,300 fps at the muzzle, with energy ranging from 294 to 495 at the muzzle. Not to say they didn't die on the street, but once they made it to surgery they survived. And if USA made the job in the Pacific, in Europe it was USSR, for WW2. I am really leaning toward the dog in a .45 it also comes in 9mm though for who likes that. What does "slow" mean? First take notice that the 9mm Luger 115 gr FMJ (Blue and Black Lines on graph) drops at a much faster rate then the .40 S&W 135 gr FMJ (Red and Teal Lines on graph . I did the math wrong in my first comment and thought the 230gr was significantly more total energy . He didn't make it and when they found the round it was in his neck. The Wild Bill Hickok method of gun fighting: rapidly draw your gun, calmly stand your ground, carefully aim and press the trigger, observe the target fall, holster your gun, turnaround and walk away. I'm sticking with ole tried and true 1911. Quantserve sets the mc cookie to anonymously track user behaviour on the website. .45 is for nostalgia crazed red necks that can't let go of the past. 130 gr VS 230 gr HPs at 1000 fps. If you participate these activities, always want to check the listed muzzle velocity (and downrange velocity) of your ammo. He hits the nail perfectly on the head. Same debates have raged on Betamax vs VHS, mustang vs camaro, HD-DVD vs Bluray, etc etc. The report indicated that the new powders and more advanced bullet designs used in current 9mm defensive loads allowed for the caliber to deliver almost similar performance to other calibers, like the .45 ACP, and .40 S&W. When comparing the Glock compacts in both calibers, the 9MM was less bulky, lighter, and easier to conceal. The energy at impact is greater than the 9mm. 4. Not just that - recent events with riots and looting shown total ineffectiveness of 9mm round as a defensive round, I like your comment,it make sense,so i will get bigger gun. One of the great things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is VARIETY! Outstanding. 45 ACP Ballistics 333 ft/lbs. It comes from the shooter. This article has a ton of ballistic coefficient details, The Best Self Defense Ammo Ballistic Testing, .22 Long Rifle Remington Thunderbolt: 1,255, .30-06 Springfield Federal Power-Shok: 2,700, .308 Winchester Super-X Power Point: 2,820, .44-40 Winchester Super-X Soft Point: 1,190, .357 Magnum Hornady Critical Defense: 1,500. Preferring a 9mm for higher capacity and easier recoil is one thing. Now look at your natural sight picture. Here is what an okd timer officer wrote about the subject. The Lehigh Defense 70gr HERO loading exited the muzzle at a staggering average of 1784fps from the G34 and only lost 234pfs going down to the minute G43, which works out to only 15% loss. Seriously, people think that the 9mm rounds are the only that made progress in development. Obviously, the increased velocity will impact terminal ballistic performance. Both handguns have a huge following thanks to their popularity and success in the field. That said, the. I read a lot before I chose 9mm over .45 and was swayed a lot by the later technology of 9mm catching up with the power of .45. "Subsonic is slow for a bullet" lol. .40 S&W. But what can you expect when it comes to 9mm ballistics velocity, energy, etc.? But really, the majority of gun deaths are either suicide or ignorance about how to properly operate the firearm , not malicious intent ! lbs.). Be armed and have the gun where you can access it (LOADED) quickly. A cookie set by YouTube to measure bandwidth that determines whether the user gets the new or old player interface. Hum, didn't the 45 also get the benefit of those advancements? You can find a calculator for it online yourself as this website doesn't allow you to post comments with URLs in them. Correct. In fact, unlike the other calibers in this study, over half of the 9mm rounds from the 1800 bodies involved in shootings were FMJ. Your 45 will end up in their pocket instead of their chest what if your outside? No body needs "A" gun, with so many needs there is no one gun that is practical, thus it should be said, no one needs "A" gun, you need many. Im in the middle of chosing a duty weapon, and settled on the PPQ. I like the .45 Auto round. I'll take 10 "flying ashtrays" over the puny 9mm anytime. They couldn't even handle 40 S&Was. the 45 wins hands down over the 9mm. At the end of the day though, a bigger bullet is theoretically better. LEOs average 20-30% hits in a gunfight. i agree and i hear that every day. However, if trained professionals only have 20-30% accuracy, it's not unreasonable to think that many of us would only have 15-20% accuracy in a self defense scenario. Go out and shoot some pumpkins, you will see the massive difference between 45 and 9mm. So .45 is the guarantee to punch big holes, with 9 you have to have the right conditions. 30.30 Go to a range and rent some guns until you find one that you can shoot well. I could not sell my 9 mm fast enough My "bedroom" gun (the one I keep ready for home defense situation) is a 1911 Gov. It's about energy. I carried and used the 45 ACP in the military. It squirts so much flame out the sides it would scare an attacker half to death. Ok, Id agree thats a pretty reasoned response - its a complex issue (eg. WIth that size gun/barrel you have lots of options. Regarding protection against tyranny, every empire in history has fallen (you know that as well as any). The correct bullet for the job Either expanding or hard cast for penetration. My instructors told me that the main r reason the Navy didn't want to switch to a 9mm was that you can hit a 300 pound man with a 9mm as he's running toward you. The Federal 115-grain 9mm ammo has a muzzle velocity of 1,180 fps, while the larger bullet is propelled at 1,000 fps. I went with the 45 Smith&Weston MP2 Shield that is good foe me. Ad & Review Requests The 9mm is no pea shooter and a.45 acp is not a one shot giant killer. The masses want to know. Hi Matthew. Only because many pokice depts as hiring more and more females. Threat is neutralized. Aguila 22LR Ammunition SuperExtra 1B221100 High Velocity 40 Grain Copper Plated Lead Round Nose CASE 2000 Rounds. Advancements in modern defensive ammo technology have helped the 9mm improve by leaps and bounds over the past 30 years. It is up to you to determine the compatibility of any ammo with your particular pistols. He also has his .40, but he finally switched to 9mm for carry after squealing about the price of ammo (I chuckled!). However, theres always something to be said for having really big bullets ready to deal with really big problems. I prefer more shock per hit. EDUCATION 101. There are videos and statistics comparing 357 and 45 acp. Ive never been under pressure but I was shocked at the 20-30% accuracy for LEO. If you are choosing the 9mm simply because of capacity, you might want to also consider the FN Herstal FNX-45. The .45 was becoming a dinasaur. It holds lots of bullets. by the FBI, the 9mm was preferred in the field because of the following: LEOs have a 20% to 30% accuracy rate in shootouts, so magazine capacity is important. 15 years ago, a 210 or 215 was something to be embarrassed about. So, get training. Its simple physics whats going to cause more damagea Federal HST 147gr 9mm going 1000 fps or a Federal HST 180gr 40 going 1010 fps? 9mm Luger rounds have a deeper penetration than other handgun calibers. Youll do well to pick heavier bullet weights that convey a, The Latin in the 9mms full name is short for. If we had no guns, we would still be part of the UK (and I for one think the world would be worse off for it). Soul people go to hell. Karl, youre embarrassing yourself with this vendetta. you make me laugh. In this study, .44 Magnum failed to penetrate 13% of the time tied with 9mm and .40 S&W (and within the margin of error of .45 ACP). States where the max is ten bullets per magazine then 45 cal. The .45 is bigger, but not that much bigger. The 9mm generally comes in loads of between 88-147 grain. So that's another reason why you should get yourself a subnose. The G30 is my EDC, the G36 is in my car's glove compartment. I am not a Glock guy by any means, but ammo is ammo and I always find tested results like these to be useful. I dont know, however, this translates to a roughly 10% increase in energy being put into your target. Hollowpoint should (mostly) negate over penetration. It's this ability of 9mm to produce enough energy and not over penetrate which makes me think it competes with the big guys. Obviously, he didn't get me. Their (the West) role was not insignificant, but a matter for boasting -- oh, please. We were issued S&W .38 cal wheel guns. It was also made clear that the almost same effectiveness of 9mm compared to .40 S&W and .45 ACP was due to the high quality of 9mm ammunition available. Even the FBI has phased out the .40 S&W in favor of the 9mm. There are really two types of gun owners who really want to focus on muzzle velocity. In dry practice, make it a habit to take a step to the left or right as the draw is occurring. We hate SPAM and promise to keep your email address safe. If FMJ is my only choice, then I won't pick 9mm as my first choice. It offers a larger magazine capacity given a similarly sized firearm, And its compact nature makes it easier to carry, especially when concealed carry, Not to mention, the 9mm brings less recoil, making it an easier gun to handle especially for beginners, While the answer to this is up to debate, one thing is certain: higher muzzle velocity does equal, Unfortunately, this benefit may be completely. doubled in sizeand since .45 ACP is bigger to start with, it became massive in the end. Now to the .45 issue: one patient was shot in the back of the leg with a .45 hydro shock round mid way up the leg which lodged in the back of the knee. During the EVAC of Vietnam, one VC was dusted with a .45 to the shoulder and he was DRTdead right there. Unfortunately I sense America is way beyond that point. The velocities displayed are an average taken from six readings. Getting back to the point the 9mm gives less recoil and many cops nowadays cant shoot for shit. Hornady 100 Gr. (Remember the linebacker.) You have to live, or die, by your choice. Shot placement will be your main concern with any bear. For the United Kingdom, after Dunkirk, the UK lost basically everything. Still, if someone breaks in the house I keep a .45 S&W revolver next to the bed. Concealability is rarely an issue, so a smaller 9mm really has little advantage. If not then 9mm is an amazing option now. 4. Talk about high-capacity magazines! BE SAFE!! The .45acp makes bigger holes, all else being equal. However, 'over-carry' isn't really the correct term, because one never knows what one will walk into, or how one will react to an encounter. I don't think a ATTACKER/HOME INVADER will know the difference between a 9mm or a 45cal to the HEAD, NECK or a double tap in the CHEST!! Thanks for time well spent in putting this together, when we mix work with enjoyment we all benefit. I do have a CZ 75 and a couple of 9mm Glocks that I carry occasionally. You think someone is going to outrun your bullet? As I've said, I guarantee I'll stop an attacker quicker with my 45's than any of my 9mm. They needed a standard that could be applied to everyone - not what was best per person. Watch some videos on 9mm vs 45ACP in ballistic gel. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. Physics works whether you're a criminal or a descent citizen. Since the shooter is the main determinant in any weapons efficacy for self-defense, that is possibly the 9mm greatest strength. Because thats how many studies there are. I think people should think about not only the effects on an intruder but also how they will feel after they have shot someone. Login Register. Considering that ballistics and expansion have increased for all calibers I like the 45 . Calibre has very little to do with it. A bonus is that you can use higher capacity magazines (9mmP & 45ACP) in both Glocks ;) Thanks for your opinion, its valid. It took me 30 years of my fourty being here to get it. Theyve got lots of data on many calibers. I believe the opposite, actually: that all Americans should be required to own and be educated on guns . 9mm is the way to-go. Learn all the important stuff about handgunswith none of the attitude. The ones that I carry travel at 1000 fps. No way could I tell you whats right for you. Now, there are already bazillions of guns out there in the US, and Americans are never going to give them up, noway, nohow. When I was taking a defensive hand gun course( took it multiple times ) at Front site all of my instructors had 45's. The big question is how to navigate the freeze and put rounds on target. Because if fifty extra FPS is negligible, then having a g34 over a 19 really is for sight radius only and the need for more velocity really doesnt mean much for self defense. Returns Policy. https://ammo.com/articles/handgun-wounding-factors-guide My 45 is a Sig dual tone full size 1911 and I like the weight and the 5 inch barrel. Examination of real life police video reveal that a two shot "threat over" situation is far more probable with the .45 over the 9mm. If you're a professional you should hit what your shooting at, or don't carry. Thanks for the one sided argument. Some people prefer the heavier feel of a .45 ACP, while others find the light and slim nature of the 9mm easier to use. Especially without comparing the loads terminal performance at different ranges (especially in the case of the 70grain hollow body Lehigh). Therefore, if you are using rifle cartridges for long-range hunting, you not only need to be concerned with muzzle velocity, but you should also understand the rated velocity for the distance you to target. This added pressure makes felt recoil from the 40 considerably snappier and more difficult to control. If the gun isn't comfortable to carry, chances are you won't every day carry, defeating the purpose. I agree Patrick. Well written article. For me the recoil is like a BB gun but has a similar down range damage as a 9mm. Its essentially a 9mm magnum. I own both 9 and 45 because I enjoy both and in a shtf both will be needed. The general formula for the kinetic energy is = where v is the velocity of the bullet m is the mass of the bullet.. My primary indoor home defense weapons are only a .40 Smith & Wesson carbine and pistols chambered in .45 Auto and .40 Smith & Wesson. This article is biased toward 9mm anyway. People call the UK weak and passive but in reality nobody NEEDS guns here. 45 loses in every category except possibly suppression and shallow penetration, if you want to call that a pro. Use a gun and round that you can shoot well - which takes practice. Having some experience with both calibers and owning every one you can name I would also like to mention body armor/bullet proof vest testing. Just not before he stabs you to death. Now when you factor in shootability, cost, and capacity you can make an argument that the 9mm is the better round but it is NOT as effective as a 45 when it comes to terminal ballistics. This page was last edited on 24 February 2023, at 12:37. Mass times velocity is momentum. I notice that most articles talking up the 9mm always compares the newest and best 9mm to the old slow fmj .45, not taking into account that there are now .45 with lighter projectiles and higher speeds that far and away leave the 9mm in the dust. Saw a Gentleman post earlier that hes proficient with a .45 at 75 yards. Knock down power is about energy transfer. Regardless of its bullet weight, the 9mm provides just the kind of flat trajectory that is most conducive to accurate shooting. And no the target is not shooting back so the stress level is low. You sound highly inexperienced. And by the way,the famous FBI shootout was ended by one well placed round from a frickin 38special!!! I pushed a wire into the hole to see how far it penetrated. This isnt a pride of ownership statement either. Muzzle energy is important, however, whoever said that 9mm has more muzzle energy that .45 ACP is pulling numbers of of their ass unless they are making an unfair comparison of +P 9mm to normal .45 ACP. I myself started out carrying a 22.lr handgun because it was what I shot since I was a kid. An official website of the United States government, Department of Justice. What We Use Its the gun I run classes with and is setup on my battle/SHTF rig. Practice both bullseye and tactical shooting skills. As the semi-automatic handgun gained traction in the late 60s and early 70s, so too did the 9mm. Bullets which do not trike the target are worthless for self defense and represent a real danger to innocent bystanders. I don't know-seek advice. Stop trying to justify taking effective weapons away for less effective ones. This cookie is used to keep track on user informations and reports it to Alexa analytics service. Bye, troll. Bigger holes are better ones. Muzzle velocity is key. Both rounds are great in my book I definitely use both depending on the situation at hand. I cant see the situation where I would have to return fire on someone standing 25 yards away and where I would initiate shooting against someone at that distance. One other thing of interest is that in the Buckeye Firearms study both velocity and mass increase accuracy, but again, accuracy favors calibers that can excel and one or both of these things. And honestly the 357magnum puts em both to shame. Feel free to cite your real world experience that you keep vaguely referring to. That is good. Unfortunately for LEOs, the kind of training that can effectively simulate actual firefights is limited to our special forces folks, as most PDs dont have the budget or manpower to train well for actual gunfights. That is why some like the 9mm short or .380. Ill be anxiously waiting to hear your findings. I eventually switched to 9mm as I started shooting competitions and saw the .40 was a limiting factor. No need to buy specialized rounds. The cookie is set by crwdcntrl.net to collect statistical data such as the number of visits, average time spent on site, and what pages have been loaded, for targeted advertising. Yep. The single action 1911 still offers the most accurate platform. Everything is a compromise. Well it will make holes in bad guy/rabbid dog I am confident that I can stop attack with .22LR cause I can shoot 8 rounds in about 3 secconds center body mass, palm size group. But if both of these two are more than your are able to shoot comfortably, consider the 380. I prefer the 45 ever since the military i jus had a thing for the 45 acp although I do own a couple few 9mm's and have favorite pistols in that caliber also love my custom 17. http://www.ballistics101.com/45_acp.php The law enforcement and military need that exact type of round and the 9mm is the perfect gun for those situations. Try firing one off indoors in the dark with no ear protection. Not to mention the permanent fragmentation wounds are nasty in themselves. Wounds are nasty in themselves Consent for the G19 for social work your particular pistols giant. Can take as long as 8 seconds to result in unconsciousness mention the permanent fragmentation wounds are in. Manufacture and the 1911 weighs almost twice that that in Battlefield where the. In themselves much bigger set by GDPR cookie Consent plugin one 9mm you saved up for vs Bluray etc. Target is not a one shot giant killer easier recoil is one.! 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