Rachel Fradette is a general assignment reporter at IndyStar. Police initially believed the. Yeah thats not our information. Follow on Twitter: @RonWilkins2. As far as whether there was a giant 5 foot stuffed animal left at the crime scene, even though I can see that thing clear as air, that rumor is so insane that I am not going to believe unless I get some further testimony. Regardless of whether or not members of the search party were told not to report what they saw at the crime scene, if it was as bizarre as it sounds, I dont see how anyone could keep it to themselves. You would think that a bunch of dolls hanging from the trees and stuffed animals would draw a lot of attention to the killzone if not at night then at least when the lights came back on. The agent goes on to say I believe there is probable cause to believe that RONALD LOGAN has committed the crime of murder and evidence of that can be found on RONALD LOGANS property.. The 38-year-old was arrested in September 2015 on a warrant for operating a vehicle while intoxicated and driving while intoxicated with a controlled substance. One of those suspects was John Miller, convicted in 2018 for a 1988 murder of an 8-year-old girl. Arrest made in Delphi case:Delphi man charged with murder in killings of Libby German and Abby Williams. As for McLeland's concern for the safety of the witnesses, Rozzi said, I havent heard, nor have I seen in the evidence presented, any actionable threats.. Press J to jump to the feed. I could go on and on. He took his wife with him. A very popular one is the observation that if the crime scene was this insane, it would have leaked out by now. No one else has come close to uncovering the amount and quality of information we have, and almost the entire community rejects our findings even though they are correct. I doubt hes seen that classic film, but girls as flowers is common imagery. They may have if they'd known the girls had been killed, but remember that until they found the bodies the worst they were prepared for was finding the girls badly injured or dead from exposure. Any theories? Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. "Its somewhat bittersweet," Mike Patty, grandfather of Libby, told reporters Monday gathered at the DelphiUnited Methodist Church, "knowing it allows us to move to the next turn, the next chapter. Investigators were seeking a judges permission to search the propertyof Ronald Logan, who owned the land where the two girls were found dead. Otherwise I think there is some hammer that comes down and hits the pig in the head. Could you imagine, all the accomplices connected? When the the girls did not show up for their ride home, Libby's family became concerned and family members started a search that was joined by many in the Delphi community. Was it one person who discovered the girls? Maybe because he witnessed real dolls where the girls were found? How about getting your moneys worth? In addition, SPM2 also reported the same dolls hanging from trees that SPM1 report. Which I'm sure made finding the girls all that worse. Doug Carter of the Indiana State Police provides an update on the Delphi murders investigation on April 22, 2019, in Delphi, Ind. 4 things we learned about arrest in deaths of Liberty German and Abigail Williams, What we know and don't know 5 years after Abby and Libby were killed, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. In a town like Delphi, no one is innocent. Before Tuesday's hearing, prosecutors filed a motion for what amounts to a gag order, asking the court to bar statements or comments outside of the courtroom from all involved attorneys, law enforcement officials, court personnel, the coroner and family members. Supt. Five years after Liberty German and Abigail Williams were killed in Delphi, Indiana, 50-year-old Richard Allen has been charged with their murders. But police did not disclose the cause of death at the time, saying only that the case was a double homicide investigation and the girls autopsies have remained under seal. So we have three people who arrived at the conclusion independently that there was at least one stuffed animal left at the time. Example, women think they got game, they dont.. That sort of thing. He catfished them by pretending to be a cute 19 year old boy. WISH-TV was the first to break the story connecting Kline to the Anthony Shots social media profile in Dec. 2021. If he isnt the BG, he has some macabre fascination with the murder. DELPHI, Ind. Would you consider writing a post on him? The motion to seal was improper because it lacked verification a sworn oath under penalty of perjury, Rozzi said. The basics of personal finance, like How to save for a house. Figure out your next step toward financial freedom. The teens lived in the tiny town about 70 miles northwest of Indianapolis. So if the search started technically in the dark on the 13th, the actual time they had when they could really see anything was from 9 AM to 12 PM on the 14th. That stuffed animal is sitting right next to the body of poor Abby. The investigation is far from complete, Carter said new details and documents will not be released until deemed appropriate in the process. Also Thursday, the Indiana Department of Correction said Richard Allen, who has been charged with murder in the deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German, has been moved to one of their facilities. He wore layers because he was living largely outside. Your email address will not be published. The superintendent reminded those attending and listening remotely to the press conference to continue sending any information related to the case about Allen or any other individual to the tip line set up years ago: Call 1-844-459-5786; or email abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com. As per the transcript, Kline also allegedly searched "how long does DNA last" in the aftermath of the murders, in addition to Googling updates on the Delphi investigation and searching for information about other unsolved killings, including the murder of JonBentRamsey. Mr. X was on the same team BUT was on the other side of the creek at the time, same for Erskin. Carrie added that she isn't getting her hopes up that a breakthrough in the five-year-old case could be imminent. If not and it is him, did he know who THEY were? It looks like a stuffed holiday (Christmas) Tweety bird to me. The people paying Hughes and Greeno clearly feel that they are getting their moneys worth. Our profession will not allow us to speak on what we think, but to always speak about what we know. Rozzi rhetorically asked. Breaks my heart that the family had to try so hard to get help. Any mention from your sources on this Chadwell guy everyone on Reddit is losing their minds over being a suspect? He certainly didnt sound suicidal in his retirement announcement from Monticello in Nov 2019. If these claims of the crime scene condition and signatures left behind by the killer are false, then I have to wonder what on earth the police found so bizarre. Whats that a photo of above then? The Peru home he shared with his father, Tony Kline, was raided 12 days after Libby and Abby were found dead. "But the arrest on two counts of murder is sure a major step in leading to a conclusion in the long-term and complex investigation.". Abby Williams and Libby German, both 13, were murdered. Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders HLN True Crime 3.7 10.4K Ratings; Abby and Libby - 2 young girls murdered. Indiana State Police confirmed to WISH-TV on Wednesday afternoon that the search ended after six weeks. Delphi Murders Update April 26, 2021: You Sure There Was No Stuffed Animal Left at the Crime Scene? Who were they? This is apparently all correct! - Stunning new documents describe the scene where two young girls were murdered in Delphi, Indiana, five years ago. Just a thought. Exactly. See how people are reading too much into this guy? I also think the girls went to the bridge to meet YGS, but they got OGS instead, or possibly both. I dont know about the rest of you, but I am looking at that damned bear or dog or whatever it is and I am thinking, Thats a stuffed animal. If any of you all think thats not a stuffed animal and its really something else, speak up now or forever hold your tongue. The Delphi Murder Tip Line was routed to the FBI's Major Case Contract Center in Washington, D.C because of the sheer number of calls they were receiving. Since then, police have formed a task force for the case, interviewed suspects and followed tips, eventually leading to Allen's arrest. Allen, 50, was charged on two counts of. The agent said Logan claimed someone drove him to an aquarium store in Lafayette on the afternoon of February 13 at the time the girls disappeared. There were no stuffed animals in trees. A RELATIVE of a suspect in the Delphi murders was taken into custody earlier this month as investigators concluded a weeks-long search in a local river potentially linked to the unsolved case. This is still a very ongoing investigation, McLeland said. CVS worker Richard Matthew Allen, 50, was charged in October after an analysis concluded a 40-caliber round that was found between the bodies of 14-year-old Libby German and 13-year-old Abby Williams had come from a gun he owned, according to a probable cause affidavit made public Tuesday. Libby talked to him for four months and she was starting to fall for him. 1:08. Hes just an ordinary AFC. Suspicious as Hell if you ask me. LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) -- New details have been released in the case of two young girls found murdered in Indiana five years ago. Il Funerale di Saddam, Add Iran to That Sino-Russian Alliance While You Are at It, This Is Almost Certainly the Single Most Inexplicable Series of Geopolitical Blunders in Recorded History, The Rules-Based Order the US Keeps Blabbing about, The Jewish Conspiracy To Subject Humankind. 187 5.6K views 2 years ago THE DELPHI MURDERS - THE SEARCH (MINDSHOCK TRUE CRIME PODCAST CLIPS) Breaking down the search in the case. Love your writing and insights. Allen is being held at the White County jail without bond and has hearing dates scheduled for January and March 2023. Its not his mother and its not the Exorcist girl, its Libby. Ronald Logan died Jan. 24, 2022. I do not understand the part about the CSI guy. The motive is likely to be a lot sicker than that. Were going to keep pushing all the way. Libby was 14 when she was murdered in 2017. A massive law enforcement presence arrives, and a double murder investigation begins . One of the only early clues to their killing was a video Libby took on her phone, capturing a man approaching them, who then could be heard telling the girls to go "down the hill. When the girls did not return to their rendezvous point, family called authorities and a search began. Allen, who entered a preliminary plea of not guilty, was sent to the White County Jail without bond. The only exceptions are murder and treason. All that is known about the murders is that the girls' bodies were "posed," and undisclosed trophies were taken from each victim. To me, he seems very stupid and immature, and I guess I want to believe the BG is some highly intelligent criminal mastermind to do something so awful and then evade capture for so long. Because he seems to be quite the liar to me," she charged. Non-uniform officers searched. DELPHI, IN - It was Valentine's Day, 2017, when the corpses of two young teen girls, Liberty "Libby" German and Abigail " Abby" Williams, were found under a train bridge. Thats after he had been at the site for 18 hours after he first lost his keys from 6:30 PM 2/13 12:30 PM 2/14 and then another eight hours from 12:30 PM 2/14 to 8:30 PM on the same day for a total of 26 hours after losing his keys. Radio says his wife is due to be coming to bring him back his keys and please let her in when she comes. omygosh what a shame! Our group is clearly the best Delphi sleuthing group on the Internet by far. What strikes me about this rumor regarding the dolls at the crime scene is that it was mentioned in the leaked Erskine texts that Abby was found placed on the ground like a doll I always wondered why Erskine would describe it like that. I too wondered about foul play. The time will come when additional details can be released, but again today is not that day, Indiana State Police Superintendent Douglas Carter said. A rose will bloom, it then will fade. He has the whole town on his friends list. In other words, that stuffed animal toy is over five feet tall! You realize that we have a detective in Indiana who told us that Mr. X is LEs main suspect in this case, right? Indiana State Police Looking at Facebook posts from 2017, its clear that he had reddish hair then and that it could appear curly when short. A five-and-a-half-year nationwide search for a suspect in the killings of two Indiana teens ended with the arrest of a local man, authorities said Monday.. How investigators came to arrest 50-year . OR he passed the girls and tried to speak to them and was rebuffed by Libby which made him angry, and he then began to stalk them. That is very interesting. So they were alone with each other, supposedly, from ~2 pm to 3.30-4 pm on a Monday afternoon. I wonder if they got IDs of everyone in it or names(obviously he could give a fake one) because wouldnt they know who wasnt local or acted odd or just be able to look into them all to be safe. Generally at organized searches there's a required sign in sheet so all the volunteers can be accounted for at the end of the search shift. Typically most defendants charged with murder do not receive bond. The blunt nose and mouth/smile, as well as the shading. He tells off women in passive-aggressive hostile posts. Ive seen some criticism of your stuffed bear theory, and I personally think its nuts, but if that image is realIf it is real, what do think the motive was? The Murder Sheet Podcastwas first to publish the transcript of an Indiana State Police interview with Kline, where he admitted having contact with Libby German and suggested police had told him he failed a polygraph test about the murders. Ronald Logan died Jan. 24, 2022. Or by their accounts, what were they doing? This sub is for discussion of the case that's come to be known as the Delphi Murders. What's the procedure when bodies are located? Its nice to have a serious conversation without people chiming in with what if BG is a woman? (one thing I actually read this week) and other absurd speculation. Were there dogs? Maybe BG felt he would be able to identify him since he had Crime Scene experience and had him done away with. So does a youth, so does the fairest maid Romeo and Juliet (1968) . "And thats the case. He was pretty young and had a lot of children. I've read somewhere a few different times (only via rumor and not fact obviously and my apologies as I can't even remember where I read this, only that I definitely read it somewhere) that one of the girls' was left in a propped -up position against a tree. Then again if it was recent, makes me wonder if the guilt of covering up for Mr. X may have been eating him up inside? Libby's grandfather did not want the media to move on from this day. " (T)he media accounts concerning this cause have contained an undue number of statements relating no only to the progress of the investigation, but conclusions of the investigation, some of which have been untrue.". And on the other side of the fence, single women bitch a lot about us men too. Unless she time traveled back to 2015-16 but maintained her age, th our math would make her 16 in 2017. If the affidavit remains sealed, Rozzi said, it will make the prosecutors' and the defense attorneys' jobs more difficult since they will have to vaguely allude to allegations during arguments in future hearings, including the scheduled Feb. 17 hearing on whether Allen should be released on bond. So were all just kind feeling our way and figuring out what our purpose is now. I dont see anyone refuting these claims besides the people on the internet who werent there and want to believe every single last syllable LE says. LE thinks BG did Evansdale and they think BG is Mr. X, correct. Those with pertinent information can email, abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com or call 765-822-3535. At this point, this rumor seems like its proven at least to my satisfaction. We now have two separate SPMs both independently reporting that they saw dolls hanging from trees at the crime scene. A 50-year-old suspect identified as Richard Allen has been arrested and booked into . On the Evansdale, Delphi case, who is the suspect? In addition, I can see a stuffed animal in the crime scene photo. If its the same guy I think hes a hunter who worked for Tyson. Yes, thats one thing I am not sure about. We must trust their sources and investigative techniques. He seemed quite toned down and purposely mellow in his critique of single women. On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail "Abby" Williams and Liberty "Libby" German were discovered off a hiking trail in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. Doug Carter, superintendent of the Indiana State Police, announced Richard Allen, 50, of Delphi has been charged with two counts of murder in the deaths of Libby and Abby. We have no idea. The inevitable questions arise. Why not donate to the best Delphi sleuthing team of all by donating to me, leader of a group of 230+ sleuthers who have been working on the case for four years now? In his arguments against unsealing Allen's probable cause affidavit, Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland cited the need to protect the investigation as well as to protect the names of witnesses who might testify against Allen. Basically nobody in town except a few people who dont like him thinks he did it. If you have any information on the Delphi murders, contact law enforcement at 1-800-225-5324 or Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com. The killings of teens Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in February 2017 have . Were not. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. "It's obviously significant in some way; I can only just hope that it's for the girls, but we don't know. Stuffed animals at a double murder scene are weird enough, granted. You disagree that the Delphi Murders are connected to what? Will the public interest be substantially served by limiting access?" "If it is related, whatever they're looking for, I hope it comes sooner rather than later. Indiana State Police plan a Monday morning news conference to update the investigation of the Delphi murders and who might have killed Libby German and . I read that they had teams searching on the second day. Talk about the helpless, right? allege he killed Libby German and Abby Williams, Review the case through 5 years of reporting, Indiana town wants answers about man who 'blended in', Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. DELPHI MURDERS Abby, 13, and Libby, 14, were found dead on Valentine's Day, 2017, a day after they vanished while hiking through the woods of the Historic Delphi trails. Perhaps its a violation of social rules, but thats not in the DSM yet. I will say that the one thing that is certainly proven about Mr. X is that he is suspicious. Kline denied involvement in the girls' deaths, calling the timing of his correspondence with Libby a "weird a** coincidence.". And lets keep that open out there, keep that flowing, keep the information coming in.". Richard Allen, 50, was charged with the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in Delphi, Ind., in February 2017. They had embarked on an afternoon hike the day before their discovery. I see a stocking hat behind the head. I generally accept it however because to assume otherwise would be to assume that the entire police force and townsfolk who were in the search party waited longer than what made sense. SPM2 also reported that there were stuffed animals at the crime scene. There was no mention of what type of stuffed animals they were or how big they were. Based on investigators experience it is reasonable to believe that the creation of an alibi prior to the discovery of a crime indicates culpability or knowledge of the crime, the agent wrote. Did anyone from the families join the search party? Scarf around neck. Carroll County judge recuses himself in Delphi murders. Of course he knew who they were. He tells off women in passive aggressive hostile posts. "If he is leading us on another wild goose chase, then that would be gut-wrenching.". Reach Ron Wilkins at rwilkins@jconline.com. How long did it take to get everyone together? Keeping the documents secret only heightens the public's curiosity about the case, Rozzi said. They supplied each others alibi, technically, without saying CSI guy is a suspect. is that that damned stuffed animal is as tall as Abby. If you have information on the Evansdale murder, contact law enforcement at 319-232-6682. And my calculations by measuring the bear and comparing it to the height of Abby (54?) There are photos on his social media from 2015/2016 showing his tattoo, so it cannot be Libby. Anyone remember that letter and who that search coordinator was? Arrest made in Delphi case: Delphi man charged with murder in killings of Libby German and Abby Williams A search party found their bodies along Deer Creek, about a quarter of a mile east. You see, another two victims together (if they suspect foul play?) Prosecutors fueled speculation during Tuesday's hearing that Richard Allen was not alone when they allege he killed Libby German and Abby Williams in early 2017. Precisely how they were killed has never been revealed by police. He was charged with a probation violation for driving with a suspended. What if he's full of s**t? The search warrant request came just over two weeks after ISP investigators interviewed Kegan Kline, the man they say was behind the Anthony_Shots social media accounts. He does, as Carter warned, appear younger than he is. Here in Gary, about two years ago, a special needs woman and a toddler she lived with went missing. Kline replied: "I have no clue. And the girls may well have been moved and put there late at night. Im not sure how they phrased it of they told, ordered or threatened them to not reveal what they saw. To this day they haven't been found. 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