Now that so much time has passed I don't know what to believe anymore. During the fight, Deputy Ruiz tried to call for backup on his radio, but he was beaten unconscious by Hurley, Penzone said. Lukezic was also convicted in 1981 for her role in the murders, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. Then, sometime before 8 p.m., there was a knock on the carport door. DTH speculates the man rehearsed his plan, walked the route and was ready to act whenever suitable victims appeared. First of all look at him in his orange jumpsuit in the local court. I am not family, nor am I friends with anyone in the families. I hope they figure it out soon. William Redmond, after answeringthe door,called out, "Marilyn,come here." Sending prayers and condolences to fellow deputies and Deputy Ruizs family and friends. You really have to ask the following questions, imo: How did BG (bridge guy) know the girls were on the trail? May very well be a serial killer. A short time after, deputies later found Hurley and took him into custody. Libby fought viciously with her attacker, to the point that her fingernails were shredded, Libby captured images and voice recording, possibly from video, of the girls attacker on her phone, Libbys phone may have been disposed of by the murderer in a body of water but the images and video of him were retrieved from the cloud. If I were him, I would have kindly declined all interviews. "People said that there was a guy behind the tree in the photo of Abby in the woods. ", "Pat had no enemies; he was too well-liked," Lukezic said. He was hospitalized in stable condition, according to Sheriff Penzone. I thought that he knew more than he was letting on and while he might not be the killer, he knew who was and that person had access to his property. I don't blame the police though. Following the assault on Deputy Ruiz, MCSO said Hurley stole his police SUV, fled the scene and then carjacked another person. The case dominated local headlines at the time as the story unfolded, it went from a planned robbery to an unexpected murder-for-hire plot. (Photo by Robert Alexander/Getty Images), fake social media account, "anthony_shots,", Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion. I don't believe he did it, but am curious about his son or people he may know. - Families and friends are saying goodbye to the Delphi girls who were killed while hiking in Carroll County last week. It is absolutely horrible what happened to these girls. Abby Williams, 13, and Liberty German, 14, recorded their murderer's chilling command to go "down the hill". He then breaks in and steals his clothing, goes back to his backpack and grabs his kill kit. Or maybe he checks out RLs property and watches him leave. He gets his gun and murder kit (access to a car or property for these items), Follows and hunts them down towards the end of the bridge. Before Ame was squeezed into the trunk, she was forced to do jumping jacks and backbends and to run around in 103-degree heat for over an hour. Eerie photographs show the hill two young teens were ordered to walk down by their killer before he murdered them in rural Indiana. Had scratches on his body and, possibly, other injuries, around Valentines Day, February 14, 2017. Lyrics grandmother last saw the girls around 12:20pm and reported them missing around 2pm. Hundreds lined the streets of Delphi on Sunday as Liberty 'Libby' German, 14, was taken to be buried. I don't know that the property owner is the murderer, but like many have said, I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone he knows in some way or another. May have become unusually interested in news reports about the case or otherwise involved himself in the case such as talking excessively about it, compulsively reading news articles, or helping with the search party. Police suspected foul play since Ame was found very dirty with bruises on her left leg, since it was in forced contact with the trunk. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Then again I cant understand who could look at those two girls and want to hurt them in such a brutal way.). Marilyn Redmond was taken to Good Samaritan Hospital in Phoenix, where she stayed for about 13days under police guard, according to The Republic. Their bodies were found in the woods east of Delphi the next day on Valentine's Day. The rumor about the girls wearing scarves at their funeral seems to check out. His family made a selfless act to donate his organs, so many others can live on and represent his legacy.". I have always had a passion for following true crime but for obvious reasons this case is really weighing heavy on my heart. [8] When asked why Ame was treated so badly, it was said, "She was mentally a little slow, but that's it. "[When] I walked to the bridge, everything is so quiet and calm that it's almost as if that bridge is saying 'I dare you,' while trying to hide the fact that the girls died there. And once you are there you can only go forward to the point where the bridge ends and private property begins. She and Abby Williams, 13, were murdered last week while they were hiking View gallery They. Allen places himself at the scene Abby and Libby, best friends in the eighth grade, were on a hiking trail in rural Delphi when they were killed in February 2017. At 2.09pm, Libby, used her mobile phone to upload a picture of Abby walking on the iconic bridge to Snapchat. [4], David Deal, Ame's possible father, was reported living in the back of the family rental home in a tent with his two other children. Arizona's death row: Prisoners on death row | History of state's executions, Lukezictold TheRepublicat the timehe'dbeen friends with William Redmond for 20 years and that they'd workedtogether in various printing businesses in Phoenix before opening one of their own, Graphic Dimensions, in 1975. In the early weeks of the investigation, police released a picture of the man believed to be the killer, taken on Libby's cell phone the day the girls disappeared and they audio believed to be the killer's voice saying, "Down the hill.". Idk if he's an actual suspect, but the police certainly jumped on the opportunity to detain him for his probation violations and have kept him in custody. On Libby's person, police found her mobile phone and on that they found video of a man on the Monon High Bridge. And if that is the case then I very much think it's someone familiar with that land. Or, maybe they did find something, and they are trying to get a confession. John and Sammantha Allen were charged with first degree murder, conspiracy to commit child abuse and many counts of child abuse. Hurley has since been released from the hospital and has been sent to the Pinal County Adult Detention Center. It seems plausible that the killer could have committed his crimes in one of those buildings. But the Redmonds opted to stay home that night because Marilyn'smother, Helen Phelps, was visiting, Kelly said. LH told news.com.au the condition of the bridge had seriously deteriorated in the past three and a half years since the murders. They walked through the wood and across the creek until they reached the spot where they were found and likely murdered there. That search warrant served at his home may have been part of a plan by LE to try to get RL to crack. I posted that link to a random blog from early 2017 simply to show that the public discussion of the scarves occurred immediately after the memorial services. This was apparently the reason why the FBI got involved straight away. I feel like it could be random, but I feel like I read on another thread that there was another murder of a young girl in that same area not that long ago. Gaining control of them with a knife or gun, he forced them to turn northward and down the hill. He is walking at a fast pace across the rail bridge planks, which is no mean feat as they are separated by sizeable gaps, towards the girls. I also don't feel as though Ron Logan is the man in the picture but for some reason in my gut I do feel some type of suspicion around him, and I could be totally wrong, but I also think maybe he is covering for a family member or friend. The papers showed that Kline had communicated with German using the account. That's extraordinary confidence for someone committing a crime of this sort for the first time. The sister of Liberty "Libby" German, one of the two teen girls found dead in Delphi, Indiana, in 2017, took to YouTube Tuesday to debunk conspiracies surrounding the unsolved killings. Newly released interview transcripts of police and one man reveal more details about the investigation into the death of two Indiana teenage girls. La Paz County Sgt. "The griping that we do about 'Get your stuff on. On Feb. 15, 2017, police released cellphone images from German's phone showing a suspect in the case coming across the bridge towards the girls. Its just blowing my mind that he hasnt been identified. In 1982, Marilyn Redmondfiled a $360 million wrongful death suit against Ron Lukezic and the five convicted killers at the time, though its outcome was unclear. Newly Released Details About The Delphi Murders Show How Police Came To Arrest A 50-Year-Old Man. In . [11] Cynthia Stoltzmann pleaded guilty to two counts of child abuse and one count of attempted child abuse. He drove by and saw them getting dropped off, Was on a adjacent property and spotted them, Access to some sort of trail cam? "During a time when men and women in law enforcement face scrutiny, sometimes demonization, or expected to be perfect and underappreciated but a scumbag piece of (expletive) out of the Department of Corrections can put him on life support when he comes to work every day in uniform to keep this community safe," Penzone said on a news conference on Oct. 9. It is totally impossible to stand in that area, so we know that's not right. The space between the gaps is not enough for your foot to slide through, unless you turn it sideways. He passed the girls on the bridge, then turned back and when the girls noticed him walking back in their direction, Libby started recording. IMPD releases edited bodycam of man shot, critically injured by officers after chase, First truckloads of contaminated waste dumped in Putnam County landfill, Live Doppler 13 Weather Blog: Heavy rain, storms return Friday, Wednesday evening Live Doppler 13 forecast March 1, 2023. The girls were murdered while together which indicates either a proficient criminal or more than one offender. Families of murdered teen girls Abigail Williams and Liberty German speak out about ongoing investigation, Fears of link between 'Snapchat killer' and unsolved double murder of young cousins, 'We have a hole in our family': A year on from the 'Snapchat' murders. Police found the bodies of Liberty "Libby" German, 14, and. Carter said the killer's age had been estimated between 18 and 40. Perhaps these exact work boots were not worn during the murders but they may closely resemble the footwear the killer was wearing. It's such a tragic case, I can't shake it. What I find odd is that LE don't seem to be very urgent to solve this case. It's been a tragic week for law enforcement in our state. "There is moss growing on some spots where the ties are spongy, likely contributing to the decay. Both cases involved young females between the ages of 8-14. William Redmond was a member of the St. Catherine's Catholic Church in Columbus, Ohio, the Elks and a contributing member of St. Mary's Food Bank, his obituary in The Republic said. Shirley and David had two other children together before Ame was born. She at one pointduringMcCall's trialleft the witness stand to point a finger at him from the center of the courtroom. She is one of only three women on Arizona's death row (the others are Shawna Forde and Wendi Andriano)[13][14], John Allen was found guilty of murder on November 8, 2017, and on November 17, 2017 was sentenced to death by lethal injection. That makes me wonder if they were held somewhere and then placed later? May have worked at the Indiana Packers meat-packing plant and other similar meat-processing plants (or jobs that are easier for convicted felons to obtain) in rural areas. Regardless of who did it, I hope they find the whoever is responsible for these murders. To be honest, I am disappointed that LE has not found this guy yet. On September 13, 2013, she was sentenced to 24 years in prison and given a lifetime of probation. Ive been sifting through so many news reports, facebook groups, true crime forums and truthtellers. Doesnt mean that was him or someone on his property that did it, Im just stating what seems to be the most obvious just from my perspective. Shirley claims also that the family threw her out and she left without her children, relocating to Iola, Kansas. "I don't know if that's just me or what but that bridge and walking up to that bridge around the curve feel evil.". A five-and-a-half-year nationwide search for a suspect in the killings of two Indiana teens ended with the arrest of a local man, authorities said Monday.. How investigators came to arrest 50-year . The Evansdale, Iowa murders are eerily similar. The Journal & Courier has not reported on these speculations. Everywhere you look in Delphi, there are reminders of Abby and Libby. Given the rumors circulating in regards to these crimes; rape, throat slitting, etc., these crimes were not committed quickly. I'm really glad someone else is as concerned about this as I am to write on this forum. I'm hoping they found their guy or that maybe he knows more than he let on. I just cannot imagine the pain they go through every minute of every day. Newly released interview transcripts of police and one man reveal more details about the investigation into the death of two Indiana teenage girls. He had been released from the Dept. I guess this case is so frustrating because someone, somewhere must recognize the picture and voice. DELPHI Three years ago, two young girls went for a walk. Knows how to cover his tracks and not leave evidence behind. The court approved the amended charge on May 12. Police say the girls mostly talk about "stuff girls talk about" in the recording, but they also mention the man. 2:58. Then again, he was also convinced that there was a pic of BG in that pic of Abby on the bridge. Dates: Both cases occurred on the 13th day of the month and bordered a weekend (Friday and Monday). RIP sir. [15][16][17], Last edited on 26 February 2023, at 23:55, List of women on death row in the United States, "Phoenix girl's death in footlocker horrifies mom", "Details emerge of a life of horror for Phoenix girl who died", "Phoenix police: 4 people arrested in child's death", "Ame Deal's Father Trying to Bail Monsters Who Murdered His Daughter Out of Jail", "School officials in Utah reported abuse of Ame Deal", "Phoenix Police: Abuse of Ame Deal "Makes You Sick to Your Stomach. February 13, 2017. The murder investigation's chief detective, who has heard the entire tape from which the audio fragment comes, describes the killer as having the "voice of the devil" coming through him. [1], The family had often moved and had lived in Pennsylvania, Utah, Texas and Tucson, Arizona, among other places. [3], On July 12, 2011, police officers were called to Ame Deal's home, where she was found dead in a small footlocker, having suffocated. It helped put the layout of the land and the time it takes to traverse it into perspective. "Truly heartbreaking. Joyce Lukezic was also convicted in 1981 for her role in the murdersbut was granted a retrial that ended with a hung jury. On occasions, they were without diapers or shoes. "My neck was stiff and I could hardly lift it very easily.". Round 3: New winter storm pummels Arizona with snow and rain, Tree falls over during storm west of Phoenix, Rescue of Australian hiker stranded in freezing Arizona, New winter storm bringing rain to the Phoenix area. Ron Lukezic's wife at the time, Joyce Lukezic, was also accused of being involved in the planning. He said someone knows who the killer is but was keeping quiet because of "extreme fear". "It was at that time that he was initially passive resistant and turned on the deputy and the fight ensued," Penzone said. [1] David and his family members all claimed that Ame is not his daughter. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Nothing less is acceptable.". "We have a lot of clay here in Indiana so it's like standing on churned butter. At separate instances, Joyce Lukezic and Cruz's lawyers blamed Ron Lukezic for the killings, but he was never charged in the case, according to The Republic. The girls throats were injured in the course of their deaths, either through strangulation or by being cut with a knife. The news outlets also speculated about a tattoo on Chadwell. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Purple and teal ribbons, their favorite colors, hang on lamp posts. My 6 year old loves that channel. [5] Before the family moved to Phoenix, Arizona, they were living in Ogden, Utah, where school officials claimed that they had reported many incidences of abuse and neglect about the family's children to the authorities. Witnessesidentified the hired gunmen as McCall, William Bracy and Murray Hooper, both of Chicago. "I live in the community nearby, and wanted to make sure I show my support and respect," said Chris Beckett, who lives in Avondale. Media coverage from Lafayette toNew York and the United Kingdomis enough to justify a change of venue for accused attempted murder defendant James Brian Chadwell Jr.,according to his attorneys. DELPHI, IN - It was Valentine's Day, 2017, when the corpses of two young teen girls, Liberty "Libby" German and Abigail " Abby" Williams, were found under a train bridge. Friends Libby German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, left school early and were dropped off around 1:45pm by a relative to go hiking on trails near the Moon High Bridge in Delphi, Indiana. It seems hard to believe after this long and with his picture and audio record available, police still have not managed to find him. She then heardtwo shots oneinto the back of her husband's head and the other into her mom. Your email address will not be published. In Chadwell'sMay 21 filing for a change of venue, his attorneys wrote, "Chadwell is unable to receive a fair trial in Tippecanoe County, Indiana, as it has been reported that he is being investigated for the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Delphi,+IN+46923/@40.5913431,-86.6455829,1354m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x881309e3541d5d2b:0xf17e204b5559ad82!8m2!3d40.5875371!4d-86.6750059, (Ron Logan's property is the same side and closest to the cemetery). When the family lived in Wisconsin, the local child protective services were called because of the "disgusting conditions" of their residence. "I didn't want to go on the side where the girls went, because there was a no trespassing sign right by the driveway, and this side looked steeper than the side I went down. WISH-TV also pointed out that detectives mentioned that Kline's phone search history included several about the Delphi case. A family member went to pick them up at the same spot later, but they weren't there. Your service and dedication to the community will not be forgotten.". All of it keeps Libby German's grandpa, Mike Patty, up at night. AVONDALE, Ariz. - A Maricopa County Sheriff's deputy was laid to rest in October 2021, after he suffered a deadly attack while taking a suspect with felony warrants into custody. [9] A few days after the arrests, David Deal asked various friends and family for money to bail his mother, Judith Deal and his sister, Cynthia Stoltzmann out of jail.[5]. I don't think he is the BG in pictures though. [10] Prosecutors announced they intended to seek the death penalty for John and Sammantha Allen. It is possible that RL does know the killer. 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