They wouldnt have been good enough speakers. For most, even for insiders (like I used to be, 2x an elder) it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself! And many of them are, perhaps a number that would shock us all. The news of the divorce came as a shock to many, as the couple had always seemed to have a strong and healthy relationship. Either way, and knowing or assuming all this to be accurate, why would any man have his hands on women in ways that are open to suspicion if they are trying to stay out of trouble, either real or unjustly so accused? Who though renowned for his wisdom, had a strong of Rich Kid with Famous Father syndrome. He is the founding and former senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. Just wondering??? Does it lend itself to the overall problem? NB If anything uncomfortable happens again I will be saying something clearly to him & asking him to mind his manners. The naked woman swimming around the boat incident he related in a way to make himself appear understanding and concerned for her welfare. The man who assaulted me regularly made passes at women in public. But it seems that the true believer would not say, Now I un-repent and un-accept Jesus Christs death and resurrection as the atonement for the sins that I will never be able to pay, but rather, How is my sin like these sins? What is a godly response to this still-unfolding situation? and Is this a church I can keep attending and supporting?. Not that hugs are linked to drugs; I am just meandering. I know its not popular here, but Im also thankful for their seeker sensitive approach. He told me he had taken Ambien. Dont confuse the two. Brad Brucker wrote: He never fails you. I also took 3 years of Biblical Hebrew and 4.5 years of Koine Greek thats NT greek. The Bible makes specific reference to this in I Cor. Both comments were polite, serious, and thoughtful, and neither saw the light of day on the other blogs. And why on earth is this even a discussion? One was at the Heidelblog about Tom Chantry and one at the Wee Flea about Iain Campbell, and both bloggers were commanding readers not to gossip, slander, or even form an opinion because we dont know anything, and maybe we dont even WANT to know anything. Alas, sometimes the reactions of people reveal of whom they are a true disciple. Maybe they could get Lee Strobel back to write another book The Case for Bill. I have big concerns about lumping everything under that umbrella. But thats over the course of 42 years of ministry! Shameful! Bye! They were taking Jesus away to be put in trial. He could claim that she was making up her story. @ dee: Brad, not all of us read or study the scriptures with the same filter. Well said, Betty! We sat under their leadership at Willow Creek for several years and were sad when the Ortbergs left to California. His third publisher, Zondervan, has not yet responded to inquiries. The Devil is destroying yet another church. I scream enough already. To all those women that have been psychologically damaged, what a needless tradegy. she either did or didnt inform her husband immediately 1. In my 9 years of writing a blog which deals with abuse issues, I have been deeply upset by the responses of Christians when their celebrity church or pastor have been shown to have clay feet. Why would we expect a follower of Hybels to be different from Hybels? I think the safest place for interaction is in public. But is that truthful? Or the colleague. In the book, Turn the Ship Around David Marquet writes: Leadership should mean giving control rather than taking control and creating leaders rather than forging followers. Power is at the top but information is with the hands-on bottom levels of a hierarchy. Bill Hybels Family. There are some 20 gifts mentioned in Scripture (Romans 12, Ephesians 4, 1 Corinthians 1213). Young people are buying cuddle items. Willow is no exception. If she ever blew the whistle on his evil-doing, he had prepared in advance the excuse he would give to the elders in his church: I had taken Ambien! It is now obvious to me why Ortberg not only believed the accounts of the other victims but why she advocated for them. And the devil is not after your church, WC. But I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. This is exactly what you would expect from some Neo-pharisee trying to hide his sin from the world. I think they all have the same m.o. Drawing as much of the world into church as they can, while still appearing to be Christian. As this onion is being peeled back, it really gives us an insight into life at the top tier of a megachurch. Are you aware, Mr. Brucker, that you are essentially playing with a full house or a straight flush in the rationalization department? The information given was half-truths and from the very first email sent out from the elderslacking wisdom and discernment. The elder board and staff who enabled him are equally bad. I dont have any memory of doing and saying those things to her that night!. The Buckner Show has been cancelled; we now return this time slot to the regularly-scheduled Wartburg Watch.. That statement should never have been sent out and hasnt been corrected to this day! @ Headless Unicorn Guy: Little children they say do not like to be hugged by the old people so I dont do it. Whew, those poor WC members have been exposed to some characters! This is church. One-World ANYTHING is a recognition signal for End Time Prophecy Wack Job. Ever thought of switching to WordPress? @ Julie: 3434 pant, right? This is a serious question we all need to ask ourselves about our own churches. The problem is when the church becomes just like the world, when its a big organization with huge budgets and building programs and long-term goals and plans and a big stage with spotlights and a pastor whos a celebrity and whom very few people know, save for the 45 minute public show/motivational speech every week (or far less than every week, if youre Robert The Hairdoo Morris), people have an average drive of 30 miles to the sanctuary and what has been created is so artificial that the church leaders must create these artificial means to patch some fake community thing together so the whole works remains a going concern, what with the bills to pay and all those families dependent on those salaries. Maybe Im misinterpreting. Ok. But thats over the course of 42 years of ministry! How hard is it for men to keep their hands off women in the work environment? ", © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. So both Nancy Ortberg and her husband wonderful teaching pastors stayed on the staff later resigned to pastor in California. Very sad. I cannot imagine the pain, the hurt. So, let me challenge you, go back and rethink the *speck in the eye* verses. I do not believe we can judge what is in the heart of people. There are a tiny few, a tiny few. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. That is my point. In the 1980s, she was the executive assistant to Bill Hybels, the senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church. It would seem somewhat of a legal issue to go around wiping documents and videos, no? Or even an outlier, if need be. Ive been to Ephesus and it is just a tourist destination. This is kind of my gig, you know. Our job is to call. If that were odd then I would change, but like I said that is just how we do. And influence a few. Russ Moore agrees with you. Shaping a church this way is an abomination, puts Hybels in very dangerous territory. Love That Lasts book. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. WC is Hybels no matter how much they protest. Sit under Jesus Christs leadership in the future. Bill Hybels and his wife, Lynne, tell about Willow Creek's beginnings, its struggles, the philosophy behind its success, and the strategies that have made it a model for church growth. . Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? There were some very attractive female students. I was contemplating a megachurch model the other day where teaching pastors had term limits or rotating speakers. Things that often included the emotional or spiritual wounding of others, if not actual physical or sexual abuse, were overlooked, out of a misplaced trust and loyalty to a so-called man of God. April 13, 2018. Thanks, Barbara, for your outstanding work. I do not attend Willow Creek but I have friends who do, and Ive taken friends and family there in the past, hoping their seeker friendly focus might appeal to them. Thanks Dee. I do. My mom would come up to my room and cuddle while we talked when I was little and not so little. The Gospels that I read portray a Jesus that constainly questioned the established and told parables about what is moral that makes you walk away and think. Fascinating. Amen! The comments from some in the WCC Trebuchet Club has brought this home to me. Jesus takes care of the harvest. Bill Hybels opens his eyes at dawn, rolls out of bed and lands on his knees. Make it easy for women (or their husbands, boyfriends) to provide information. A year later they started Willow Creek Community Church. But I believe the women who have been abused by Bill Hybels are telling the truth. after the perps death before she told anyone. (Keep in mind I was having a hard time mapping that organizational understanding of leadership to servant of the Body of Christ in those days), You dont remember Bill grooming you? @ truthseeker00: My husband was so proud that he got to met the Bill Hybels and was so happy that he got to talk to him and have his picture taken with Bill Hybels. Yet, if this person is free to say what was done by J Ortberg and offer her (non-intimidated, threatened) perspective on it, how can she conflate that with others coming forward to offer a perspective on their experience? Lynne Hybels Bill (281 results). I want to make sure I understand you. If I felt uncomfortable I removed myself from the situation and spoke up. Their view of the person is completely undermined by the experience. Sigh. My assessment is that the entire leadership there at Willow Creek needs to be held accountable and the base must face this issue with appropriate consequences. Instead, we are the be faithful to our calling. For example, I have no problem with a man eating dinner in a public restaurant with a woman who is not his wife . Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. When you read it, I think you might as well. Tonight we wept in sadness for all the people closely associated with this story, yes, even for Bill and Lynn and for their adult children. This is VERY common. Little nobodies dont stand a chance. Some more publicly than others. I believe God will welcome Bill into heaven with open arms for the positive work he has done. The whole manipulation tactic is a brain gamer based upon the receivers cognitive dissonance. He has denied. Jesus Christ is the assessory. Just a followup to my above comment. One comment not allowed. I was contemplating a megachurch model the other day where teaching pastors had term limits or rotating speakers. Oh yeah. I also took 3 years of Biblical Hebrew and 4.5 years of Koine Greek thats NT greek. The first half of the book, written by Lynne Hybels, explores the early years of Willow Creek and the personal accounts behind one of this century's most . It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer. That is stunning. ) (John 18:10 NIV). Children The couple has two children. I have already commented on that nonsense that just went up. Its all God this, God that, God God God. We would have food, beverages, snacks, etc. Note how often those being accused are the old dogs, gone or soon to be gone from the public eye anyway. But it is the structure, really. Thank you for that comment, Lydia. Are you saying that letter posted was well written? He didnt seem to follow Yahwehs rules much anyway. . When you read it, I think you might as well. Dont work for Megas, folks. Sovereign Grace Ministries . Some will sadly never make the decision to follow Christ. Its evidence. Davids repentance was a magnificent example of repentance. Her pastor said that her body belonged to her husband and he could do whatever he wanted to do. FWIW, Id love the notification option tooI have the opposite problem as Barb. I truly hope that WCC reexamines who they are. If it doesnt recur, people often try to dismiss it as an aberration. Personally I was more offended by Wailing Wall-Satanic ritual connection. But, the cat is out the bag. Christianity is so intertwined with our society as the religion that the majority, if they dont believe, at least pay lip service to. He missed an important element in his effort at damage control: Preach it straight from the beginning. How they must love what they do! Too many missed opportunities to do the right thing. Very sad indeed. Brads comments only serve to make me wonder how many people worship Hybels instead of God. Jesus healed that man and told Peter to stow it. And everyone wants to work there. . So they were flying around the world together living it up on the giving units dimes. We werent leaders, but we can tell you re: Stowell and many others that they leave and say nothing or little to protect their own reputations and future work in ministry. But, I seriously doubt your using scripture as a club will shame, convince or condemn many here. Bigger news story is the Humbolt bus crash. What needs to be addressed is that this is not a matter of somehow eliminating the existence of random perverts, as if such a thing were possible. The Body does not put its faith in humans, even celebrity ones. You will be swamped with Williow Creek and Bill Hybels telling us how to and their morality. It works but is it the faith? Big. Well, yes, absolutely. Glad I found that out. I know. Hybels appears to be trying to fade off into the sunset now. And a pedestal they can fall from and did. Position? The new lead pastor discounts the claims of the betrayed and encourages the women of the church to believe differently. Ambien made me do it (Bill Hybels) This slavish devotion to a leader or organization is scary and given the size and influence of this church, what are they capable of? plus Ive read very wise authors like: Don Hennessy an relationship counselor in Ireland who has worked for decades in the field of domestic abuse. - @ AbuseCrusher: By the time you get there, youve probably already been compromised yourself, youve supported a lot of evil things, youve shouted down others who were only trying to get at the truth (as I once did, alassorry, Adam, you were right and I was wrong, pastor really was up to no good), and its not easy to extricate yourself or your family. I guess you are not aware of the president for whom Hybels was a spiritual advisor. YOU CANT PROVE A THING!!!!!. Sounds like he at the time did some things that outside of context would be perceived as unwise with co-workers. I dont understand the purpose!!!!! The Devil is destroying yet another church. 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